The apostle uses your donated money to buy expensive clothes from top designers like Armani and Gucci. He doesn’t buy from Macy’s because it’s not his style.
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Q I’m going to show you Exhibit Number Four, and on November 29th, 2013, JMMI paid over $6,000 to Louis Vautton.
Q What would that be for?
A Well, this is for clothes concerning my TV ministry as well.
Q So you have to wear Louis Vuitton?
A It don’t matter what name it is. The point is, the clothing are allocated to us for ministry purposes as well.
Q What do you mean they’re allocated to you?
A You know, in the media ministry.
Q In the what?
A Media ministry.
Okay. Or on the road when I’m always traveling and using my clothes, I’m sweating through them so I’m needing new clothes also for television ministry including yourself.
Q And so you use ministry money to buy your wardrobe?
Q Your out —
A It’s called — allocated more towards ministry apparel.
Q Okay. And where is that kept?
A In St. Louis.
Q In your home?
A Yes, mm-hmm.
Q Okay. And do you get — does that go into what your income is?
A I’m sorry?
Q Do you show that in your income that you got Louis Vuitton clothing?
A No, that’s not — that’s —
Q That doesn’t show?
A Because it don’t go there.
Q It don’t go there?
Q I don’t know what that means.
A It don’t belong there, that’s out of place.
Q What’s out of place?
A You don’t get taxable things like that. That’s for 59 — that’s for ministry business purpose so it’s
Q Louis Vuitton?
A Well, it’s — you can call whatever you want.
Q Well, then, you had a month later Men’s Warehouse for a thousand dollars. Were these for you?
A Yeah, those were suits for the TV ministry.
Q And do you wear them when you’re not on the TV?
A No. Only to ministry in them when I’m traveling.
Q Right. When you’re on TV or otherwise you wear them?
A Yeah, television ministry.
Q But not always when you’re just on TV?
A Always, either I’m being filmed, when I’m up traveling around the nation or —
Q So — but like with those you’re wearing now, are those purchased by JMMI?
A No, this was actually purchased by me.
Q Okay. Then you spent another $724 for the Italian Collection clothes.
Q In April.
A Yeah, I’m always buying suits.
A Well, not always.
Q Always buying suits.
A But whenever we need — when we need them so.
Q Whenever we — isn’t it just you?
A Well, I mean, because I’m the main one out front, you know. Other than that, I would sweat through all of my personal clothes and they wouldn’t last long, so the ministry can buy —
Q Who else does the ministry buy clothes —
A Well, the ministry team, if they need suits or things for uniforms for the ministry so.
Q What kind — you have to answer —
A Black suits or anything that goes for choir or ushering or —
Q Your person out there that’s a driver, do you buy his black suit?
A I don’t — I’m not quite sure if that was bought — oh, no, they paid for that one their selves on — I can’t tell you. But we do — we have purchased suits for people because they work and it could be wearing down your personal clothing, tear them up so.
Q So June 2014 you spent thirty-five hundred dollars by JMMI to Versace in the Bahamas.
A I’m sure that’s right if that’s what it shows there.
Q And those were — that was clothing for you?
A Yes. Probably, yes, mostly for —
Q But you –you don’t see that there’s any problem when you’re ministering to the poor or the sick, the needy, to be appearing in Louis Vuitton and Versace?
A Well, that ain’t something I purchase all the time.
Q Well, it looks like you did several times in —
A I mean, I — I’m a very frugal person when it comes to this. I go to the right places to get a lot of suits and if I get some from those places, you don’t see that.
Q I don’t see Macy’s.
A No, you don’t see that — yeah, because Macy’s don’t have the kind of suits that I wear. But what I’m saying is, this — this Louis Vuitton things, you don’t see that in our charges all the time. We used to get the belts —
Q Well, I see in 2000 and — get the belts?
Q In 2000 — I see you’re wearing a Burberry belt? The same kind of thing, you go to the top of line? That’s an expensive belt.
A Well, that’s the way you’re making it look quite true, yeah.
Q 2013 and ’14 you spent over — JMMI spent over $30,000 in your clothes. Does that sound about right?
A What — what year was that?
Q ’13 and ’14.
A Oh, God, yes, because I was traveling so much and — and sweating through all my clothes. Exactly. That probably wasn’t enough because just to have so —
Q But they have to be top of the line expensive ones?
A No, they are not top of the line clothes.
Q Louis Vuitton is not top of the line?
A That is not where I get my suits from.
Q Well, you got something from him —
Q — you spent thousands and thousands?
A Well, the — the belts are more lasting so that’s good.
Q Come on, you’re buying belts for $5,000?
A No. I mean —
A — I have multiple belts, not just one.
MR. POTTS: Just so the record reflects —
THE WITNESS: Yeah.
MR. POTTS: There’s an entry at Joe Page 234
Banks here June 11th of ’14, one of the bottom feeding stores in the United States.
BY MS. RONAYNE:
Q Well, how about —
MR. POTTS: I’d just like to call your attention to that one, too.
BY MS. RONAYNE:
Q How about the Gucci Store in August?
MR. POTTS: Just thing about Joe
MS. RONAYNE: No, we’ll get to that.
BY MS. RONAYNE:
Q August 2014 you went to the Gucci Store in Troy and purchased something?
Q What would that be?
A As I said, it probably was a belt or maybe shoes. I don’t know.
Q Belts or shoes.
A But I don’t usually buy my suits from these very expensive places. I just get the — the things that I invest in will last longer such as belts or shoes.
Q So you’ve got to go to Gucci or places like that?
A Well, no, that’s — I buy those things from there because they have a better TV appearance for the belts and —
Q For asking for money from the poor?
A I mean, honestly, it ain’t really like the way you’re making it look so.
Q Tell me how it is.
A Well, I mean, I don’t think you want to hear what we could say —
Q Well, you sound like you have to drive Bentley’s and limousines and wear Gucci.
MR. POTTS: Just answer if there’s a question asked of you, answer the question. The rest of it’s just (inaudibl play —
BY MS. RONAYNE:
Q You like to look like money?
A No, no. No, it’s —
Q You paid a thousand dollars to Monsieur Clothing in New York and then another $715. Whose clothing was that for?
A Where was that now? I don’t understand.
Q August 1st and October 28th, a total of over seventeen hundred dollars to Monsieur Clothing in New York?
A I don’t — I do not — I don’t know about that.